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Greatest albums of all time?

That seems a little over the top, unless you’re Stephen Erlewine of AllMusic. Of the decade, maybe. Edit0r6781 (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The only list that's reliably sourced calling it "greatest ever" that I found was Rolling Stone. Unless I'm missing the others. As such, I tweaked it. Rob van vee 19:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Rolling Stone’s ranking is a head scratcher. I was always under the impression that Dookie was considered their magnum opus, from fans and critics alike. It’s got better reviews across the board from what I can tell. Edit0r6781 (talk) 23:16, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It just seems to be Rolling Stone. I don't think one publication is enough. Somarain (talk) 05:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speeling of Novacaine

According to the note, "Novacaine" is an intentional misspelling. Novocaine is the correct spelling.

Is there a source for this statement? I didn't find anything definitive in a quick search. -98.144.130.222 (talk) 17:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless a source is found, the word "intentional" would need to be removed. Hzh (talk) 22:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does this even need to be a footnote? Couldn't {{sic}} just be used instead? TollyH (talk) 22:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure people would necessarily know that it's spelt "Novocaine", so the "sic" itself might be confusing. Hzh (talk) 23:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Second" best-selling album?

What evidence is there Dookie has sold more than AI? The source that says Dookie has sold more than AI is 10 years old. It also says Dookie sold 20 million copies. We have sources from 2024 that say AI sold 23 million, which is more than 20 million. Somarain (talk) 05:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I retract this. Apparently the RIAA just named it double diamond (20 million). Somarain (talk) 20:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New musical Adaptation by Deaf West

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A section should be added to reflect the adaptation with additional details on the adaptations to story and presentation to fit the American Sign Language theme 75.46.191.93 (talk) 10:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

American Idiot Album Sales

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Hello, I wanted to make a correction and open a debate about the sales of American Idiot, the most reliable sources say that it sold 16 million copies not 23, even this information has no citation or source, I have been wanting to correct the information but it seems like some non-biased fan is reversing it Martinezc18 (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the statement about the album selling 23 million units is backed up by these two sources [1] [2] in the Release and commercial performance section. It is also listed at the List of best-selling albums page. λ NegativeMP1 00:47, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rolling Stone magazine said it sold 16 million copies when reviewing its anniversary, many sites say it sold 16 million, not 23.https://www.rs500albums.com/250-201/248 https://www.thisdayinmusic.com/artists/green-day/ Martinezc18 (talk) 00:53, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Both of these are not reliable sources, as rs500albums is a blog operated by a single person that doesn't seem to actually be affiliated with Rolling Stone (per this page [3]) and ThisDayInMusic might not be reliable either. Billboard and Louder, however, are reliable sources for music-related subjects per this page. Furthermore, the official store listing for the 20th anniversary box set on Green Day's website [4] says that the album sold 23 million units worldwide. So the numbers of the album selling 23 million units have been confirmed by both official/primary and secondary sources, and are also the most up-to-date sales figures. λ NegativeMP1 01:04, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please send me the billboard link where it says that American idiot sold 23 million

Managed by a single person? It seems to me that you are wrong, Rolling Stone is a magazine that has always been associated with music, as well as Billboard. I don't think it is unreliable. Your answer seems strange to me. Martinezc18 (talk) 01:35, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I already sent the Billboard link that says 23 million, and I said the blog was operated by a single person, not Rolling Stone. Rolling Stone is unquestionably reliable. The blog most likely isn't. λ NegativeMP1 02:00, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From all sources there is no unanimous consensus that supports those 23 million 100% I think I saw even more for the 16 million Martinezc18 (talk) 01:38, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's completely reasonable to think that those sources that still say the album sold 16 million are simply out of date. The 23 million figure is from Green Day's official website, which has since been confirmed and published by other reliable, secondary sources. It is the most recent official figure of the album's sales numbers, and that is what we should go with. λ NegativeMP1 02:04, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I said on your talk page, you have been blocked while using Bolivian IPs to disrupt Coldplay and Green Day articles regarding their sales totals. Now that you are continuing the disruption with a registered username does not erase the past trouble you caused.

Your sources are problematic. You have not brought any sources that are strong enough to contradict Billboard magazine, for instance. Binksternet (talk) 02:00, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]